Crabgrass DMT
Answered by: Richard Alan Miller
Question from: William Sidoli
Posted on: July 01, 2007

I listened to your interview on Radio Orbit with Mike Hagan which I found very enjoyable and interesting.

My ears pricked up when you mentioned that you can get DMT from crabgrass, as I have not yet explored this area but would like to.

Could you tell me which particular species of crabgrass you referred to (I couldn’t quite tell from the audio)?

Also you mentioned doing chromatography on the grass using spray paint -- what result should I be looking for.

Finally, how long should the Crabgrass be titrated using lemon juice?

A BIG thank you for puting this information out there.

Isn’t Mike Hagen something special? I really liked working with him, and hope to become a long-standing friend. He has that quality about him and his work. I was very impressed, and have since met some of the other listeners who are loyal to his show. He seems to garner a higher level of demographics, all smart and educated.

When I worked Navy Intel, we called N, N-DMT (brain chemistry analog) "telepathine," and our studies were held as "classified" in anesthesiology at the University of Washington, ca. 1971. The following is a list of natural products where this specific form of DMT often be found in natural products. Alkaloids reported as (mg) per (100g) raw dried plant, and as percent of total plant source weight:

Acacia bark : 0.71% NN-DMT

Acacia maidenii bark : 0.36% NN-DMT

Acacia simplicifolia bark : 0.86% NN-DMT

Mimosa hostilis root (bark): 0.57% NN-DMT

Virola shoots & flowers : 0.44% NN-DMT

Desmanthus illinoensis root (bark): 0.34% NN-DMT

Pilocarpus organensis: 1.06% 5-MeO-DMT

Phalaris tuberose : 0.10% NN-DMT; 0.022% 5-MeO-DMT; 0.005% 5-OH-DMT

Phalaris arundinacea (’net gossip): 0.060% NN-DMT; ?? 5-MeO-DMT

Psychotria species (averaged, from Jonathan Ott): 0.200% NN-DMT

Phalaris your various genus for crabgrass. It was "Trout," editor of Ethnogen Review who once said to me "You know, some plants are not really plants, but delivery systems from God." The spray paint element was referring to a cheap and dirty way to set up thin-layer chromatography. Thin-layer chromatography will determine which species is which, by gross overviews of the levels of each chemistry. 5-MeO is also known as DIMI, and not what most seek (brain chemistry analogs).

Simple titration can be done by boiling the grass in water, and adding a bunch of lemons. That is for those "weekend shamans" wandering the woods. More precision, of course, is required to produce a high-end crystal, similar to that grown for Terence McKenna (before he died). That specific single crystal was more than 5 pounds, enough to turn on most of North America..

One of the very best protocols on how to do a more precise and detailed form of extraction can be found at

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